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Interview with Suraj Yengde

The Harvard researcher discusses his humble upbringing and how the plight of Dalits is now being taken more seriously, in academia and beyond

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November 10, 2022
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November 10, 2022
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Suraj Yengde is a research associate in the department of African and African American studies聽at Harvard University and聽author of the bestseller聽Caste Matters.聽He has studied on four continents 鈥 Asia, Africa, Europe, North America 鈥 and became the first Indian Dalit to take a PhD from an African university. He has published more than 100 essays, articles and book reviews聽on topics including caste, race, labour and migration.

Where did you grow up?
A small hinterland town in central India called Nanded. Many people there are landless, peasants, mill workers. It鈥檚 politically also in the middle of nowhere. When India got independence, we were still in the control of a local ruler.

You were born into a Dalit (India鈥檚 lowest caste) family?
Yes, I grew up in a Dalit slum. My grandfather was a mill worker and a unionist. My father dropped out of school after ninth grade and went on to work as a cleaner and milkman, retiring as an office peon. The most one could do is try to become a clerk, get a degree and lift your family out of poverty. The odds are very much against you.

How has your birthplace and family background shaped who you are?
My father founded the Dalit cultural theatre movement in my town. That articulated my way of thinking about these issues. It鈥檚 why I鈥檓 sensitive to the idea of space and place in hierarchies and social justice initiatives. You could be a Dalit from Bombay, and you鈥檙e still relatively privileged. If you come from a small town, you know facilities are probably not the same depending on what state you come from. We hardly found mention of our region in history books. Major newspapers are published in the capital, which is 600 kilometres from my district, so they鈥檒l come a day late.

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What set you on a path to academia?
I was never meant to be. People like me were not composed to be intellectuals. I almost had no roof over my head; at least I had a tin shed. It鈥檚 an accident that I got into academia. I could see planes flying overhead and I鈥檇 wonder who was in them. Now I fly every few weeks.

You鈥檙e in the process of getting a second PhD 鈥 did scholarship always come naturally to you?
In my high school I scored 46 per cent. I just passed. I was studying chemistry and physics 鈥 that was never my thing. My father bribed me to pursue law. I think that鈥檚 where I found my calling because it was more lyrical, more like literature as opposed to drawing diagrams and theorems. I became a student leader at 17 when I was elected president of student council at my college. That was a big ego hurt for some people, for a Dalit to be elected.

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Why should people care about your work?
Academia is no longer an aristocratic exercise of people trying to think about philosophies in a leisurely mood. It has become a public good. Just a generation ago there were a few Dalit scholars, but they would write from within India. Social justice, equity, inclusion have become the emblem of almost all institutions. They鈥檙e issues that HE is now taking seriously. I want to ease the tension attached to India and caste 鈥 caste is in almost every part of the world.

What are the best and worst things about your job?
The best thing is you get to work with people in the field who are challenging settled dynamics. I can reach out to people in all sorts of different fields. There鈥檚 a charm, a certain kind of attention given to you. It also feels purposeful. I get to contribute to a knowledge that will outlast me. That鈥檚 the beauty of academia. Unfortunately, the attention that comes with the work brings a lot of nastiness and jealousies, people and governments who try to tarnish your reputation. There鈥檚 also pain and sleeplessness because there鈥檚 a lot of work. I have two books, a fortnightly column to curate, special issues to edit. I contribute to the scholarly community by reviewing, commenting on new research developments, and I need to work on another PhD thesis.

When are you happiest?
My favourite place is my desk. Reading and critical thinking give me great pleasure. These days I end up reading most of the time, either for my writing or as a peer reviewer. Happiest is also when I鈥檓 debating, speaking at conferences, engaging with people. When your ideas get published, there鈥檚 that joy of seeing it. I get to travel to places. I was in London for a keynote and SOAS put me up in a nice hotel. I would never have done that on my own. This is a joy too; I don鈥檛 want to discount it.

What keeps you awake at night?
The next book I鈥檓 going to write and the excitement of thinking about new ideas. In a larger sense, I鈥檝e become someone who has my own voice, so I feel more responsible on certain issues. But I鈥檓 not a prophet 鈥 I have to learn. How do I make a cause I believe in a concern of everyone in the world while at the same time making sure this doesn鈥檛 become the next model that fails to do the things it is fighting for?

What advice do you give to academics like you coming from聽a deprived background?
I鈥檇 tell them you鈥檙e entering a space that was never meant for you. Be mindful of that and let that not be a judgement of your ability 鈥 you鈥檒l overcome if you鈥檙e persistent. Also be compassionate. If a person is frustrating you, forgive them with a smile. Try to find mentors, a few of them. If somebody鈥檚 not kind to you in writing, keep a channel open. Also, today鈥檚 world is of instant justice and cancel culture. Educate yourself, and if you make a mistake, apologise. Apologise in a way that will demonstrate your grace.

What do you do when you鈥檙e not busy with academic work?
I like watching movies. I really like to do Netflix and chill time. I like going on long walks, talking, reconnecting with friends. I think people find me weird 鈥 I don鈥檛 really text much; I just call. Also cooking. I am a very confident, proud guru chef. I love experimenting.

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2011-12聽master鈥檚 degree in international human rights law, Birmingham City University

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2012-16聽PhD in migration and diaspora, University of the Witwatersrand

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2017-20聽W.E.B. Du Bois non-resident fellow at Harvard University

2018-20聽postdoctoral fellow, Harvard聽

2020-21聽senior fellow, Harvard Kennedy School

2020-present聽DPhil in intellectual history, University of Oxford

2015-present聽research associate, Harvard聽


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